i am tired of the levis, dickies, etc for riding. i average over 40 miles a day everyday, and would like what outlier appears to have on their website; a straight, simple, clean lined, well tailored bike pant made with good quality bike-functional material. the problem is in reality their tailoring is terrible. their patterns are poorly designed (too much flare and too high rise as well as bad clowny pockets on og’s and workwear, bad gussett design in workwear, etc). really, jeans have far more moveability than the workwears (they really are the most difficult pants for riding i’ve ever worn). the climbers look cool and with a better cut; but like all the pants, the stitching is twisted or they don’t lay smooth on sides, etc. really, just poor craftsmanship. if they made a climber cut with a thicker material to rest better, or did their workwear with a lower rise, more tapered leg, no gussett, and just a little stretch…i would happily support these guys. bottom line: poorly designed and poor/random/inconsistent construction. hopefully this review will encourage better quality from outlier, as i really do like their asthetic/idea, and i would love a good quality bike pant. otherwise it’s a matter of time before rapha makes one out of their schoeller. maybe rapha’s design will be lame, but the quality will be there.